Андреи (и не только) достопочтенного Джона Джорджа Лэмбтона, 1-ого графа Даремского
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Ну, надеюсь, все эти ордена его. В 1840 году он уже умер. После России был в Америке, зачем ему столько дубликатов иметь? Видать модник был, костюмов много... по портрету чистый Байрон 
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Ты, гляди, аккуратней с этим "надеюсь".
Сегодня "надеюсь", а завтра уже "переживаю" начнёшь делать
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июнь 1838го?
29 мая он отправился в Канаду...
29 мая он отправился в Канаду...
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Андрюш, ты уж свои "wiki находки", пожалуйста, компануй в один пост
да я могу вообще не писать, если тебя отвлекаю.
Меня ты не отвлекаешь, а вот Граф твои подозрения может найти оскорбительными 
Я уж не говорю о том, что он "отбыл" из России 10 июня 1837 года.
А ты про Канаду-38
Его воспоминания о том, что случилось 8 июня того же года
"The Emperor was pleased most graciously and cordially to congratulate me on the high mark of distinction which my Sovereign has been pleased to bestow upon me, and said: “I also am desirous to show the world in the most public manner my sense of the mode in which you have represented your Sovereign, and advocated the interest of your country here. I have therefore written to the King, my brother, and enclosed in my letter the Order of St Andrew, requesting his Majesty to do me the favour of presenting it to you, in my name. It is the highest mark of my esteem that I have to bestow, and I beg you to consider it, not as a proof of my private regard, which you cannot doubt, but as a public testimony of my feeling towards your King, your country, and yourself in your public capacity.” His Imperial Majesty then placed in my hands a letter for His Majesty the King, which I shall have the honour of delivering on my arrival in England"
Я уж не говорю о том, что он "отбыл" из России 10 июня 1837 года.
А ты про Канаду-38
Его воспоминания о том, что случилось 8 июня того же года
"The Emperor was pleased most graciously and cordially to congratulate me on the high mark of distinction which my Sovereign has been pleased to bestow upon me, and said: “I also am desirous to show the world in the most public manner my sense of the mode in which you have represented your Sovereign, and advocated the interest of your country here. I have therefore written to the King, my brother, and enclosed in my letter the Order of St Andrew, requesting his Majesty to do me the favour of presenting it to you, in my name. It is the highest mark of my esteem that I have to bestow, and I beg you to consider it, not as a proof of my private regard, which you cannot doubt, but as a public testimony of my feeling towards your King, your country, and yourself in your public capacity.” His Imperial Majesty then placed in my hands a letter for His Majesty the King, which I shall have the honour of delivering on my arrival in England"
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я веду мысль нашу к тому, если счет датирован июнем 1838 года, то он звезды и не носил вообще.Или это все было в 1836 году на Невском проспекте? Извини, плохо вижу.
Ну, счёт-то только на цепочку мини, которую он, похоже, "по почте" заказал (счёт хранится в Lambton archives).
Русские звёзды, видимо, по той же "системе" .
А английские звёзды (и короб с футлярами) он заказал у Rundell, Bridge & Co. где-то в начале 1838 года.
Надо сказать, довольно эксцентричная подготовка к отбытию в Канады.
Лучше бы шубу лишнюю заказал
P.S. Самое смешное, что в апреле 1838 года английская пресса довольно активно поносила его за "непатриотическое" принятие такого числа русских орденов (The Times, 3rd-7th, 9th и 13th April 1838). А нам плевать. Мы знай себе дубли заказываем
Русские звёзды, видимо, по той же "системе" .
А английские звёзды (и короб с футлярами) он заказал у Rundell, Bridge & Co. где-то в начале 1838 года.
Надо сказать, довольно эксцентричная подготовка к отбытию в Канады.
Лучше бы шубу лишнюю заказал
P.S. Самое смешное, что в апреле 1838 года английская пресса довольно активно поносила его за "непатриотическое" принятие такого числа русских орденов (The Times, 3rd-7th, 9th и 13th April 1838). А нам плевать. Мы знай себе дубли заказываем
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Нельзя не добавить (для нагнетания 
) описание результатов той июньской "распродажи" шестилетней давности.
Magnificent Orders Given by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia, Leopold I of Belgium, Otho of Greece and William IV of England to First Earl of Durham Sell For £4m
•Order of St Andrew insignia sells for £1,320,000
•Order of the White Eagle insignia sells for £852,000
•Order of St Alexander Nevsky insignia sells for £576,000
•Order of St Anne Grand Cross insignia sells for £372,000
A magnificent group of recently rediscovered Orders of Knighthood conferred during the 1830s upon John George Lambton, "Radical Jack", the first Earl of Durham, by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia, Leopold I of Belgium, Otho of Greece and William IV of England, were sold for a total of £4,057,080 by specialist London auctioneers Morton & Eden in association with Sotheby's today (Thursday 10 June 2010).
The sale had been expected to raise £500,000.
Bidders in the room, on a bank of telephones and on the Internet ignored pre-sale estimates and spent freely on the unique collection which was being sold by a descendant.
The Orders comprised the Russian Order of St. Andrew (the highest honour the Tsar could bestow), which sold for £1,320,000 against an estimate of £140,000-180,000;
the associated Orders of St Alexander Nevsky (sold for £576,000, estimate £80,000-120,000);
the White Eagle (sold for £852,000, estimate £80,000-120,00) and St Anne (£372,000, estimate £30,000-40,000).
In addition, the Belgian Order of Leopold I sold for £19,200; the Greek Order of the Redeemer for £21,600, and the British Order of the Bath for £24,000.
Breast stars for the Order of St Andrew made by Nicholls and Plinke in St Petersburg and Rundell Bridge & Co., in London sold for £180,000 and £120,000 against an estimates of £5,000-7,000 respectively and a miniature collar and badge of the Order of St Andrew by Wilhelm Kämmerer of St Petersburg in 1838 sold for £240,000 against an estimate of £20,000-30,000.
Even the fitted mahogany box specially commissioned in 1838 to transport the Earl's orders was wanted. Estimated at £600-800, it sold for £12,000.
The sale, in which every one of the 22 lots sold, was taken by Lord Poltimore, the Chairman of Sotheby's Russia. Bidding battles were long and involved as Russian and Russian-speaking agents spoke to their clients by mobile phones, while bids also came from the packed saleroom, on the Internet and from a bank of telephones.
Bidding increments were also unpredictable. Lots which opened at a few thousand pounds suddenly leapt into the tens of thousands and beyond, while in some cases bidding rose by £100,000 at a time.
There was applause when the Order of St Andrew insignia was hammered down for £1.3 million.
Specialist in charge of the sale, James Morton, who prepared the separate sale catalogue, said Morton & Eden and Sotheby's were absolutely delighted with the result. He said he had privately predicted that it would raise £2 million, but was astonished that the total was double that.
He said the collection easily met the 3 criteria collectors require:
- quality,
- provenance and
- condition.
"The celebrated Emanuel Pannasch of St Petersburg, of one of Russia's finest Court jewellers, made many of the pieces in the collection and therefore the quality was superb," he said. "The provenance of the collection, which had not been seen for 150 years, was also impeccable and as it had been largely untouched during that time, the condition was magnificent. Lord Durham died shortly after the orders were conferred upon him, so he had little time to wear them and as a result they were in mint condition."
He explained that orders given to Russian nationals in the 1830s and beyond were traditionally returned on the death of the recipient, but this was not the case with those presented to foreign recipients. "Orders such as those conferred upon Lord Durham therefore have an enormous rarity value and this, together with the immense enthusiasm for high quality Russian orders worldwide made for a highly successful sale."
Buyers included individual collectors and agents representing international clients, many of whom were Russian.
P.S. Оф корс estimates do not include buyer's premium
) описание результатов той июньской "распродажи" шестилетней давности.Magnificent Orders Given by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia, Leopold I of Belgium, Otho of Greece and William IV of England to First Earl of Durham Sell For £4m
•Order of St Andrew insignia sells for £1,320,000
•Order of the White Eagle insignia sells for £852,000
•Order of St Alexander Nevsky insignia sells for £576,000
•Order of St Anne Grand Cross insignia sells for £372,000
A magnificent group of recently rediscovered Orders of Knighthood conferred during the 1830s upon John George Lambton, "Radical Jack", the first Earl of Durham, by Tsar Nicholas I of Russia, Leopold I of Belgium, Otho of Greece and William IV of England, were sold for a total of £4,057,080 by specialist London auctioneers Morton & Eden in association with Sotheby's today (Thursday 10 June 2010).
The sale had been expected to raise £500,000.
Bidders in the room, on a bank of telephones and on the Internet ignored pre-sale estimates and spent freely on the unique collection which was being sold by a descendant.
The Orders comprised the Russian Order of St. Andrew (the highest honour the Tsar could bestow), which sold for £1,320,000 against an estimate of £140,000-180,000;
the associated Orders of St Alexander Nevsky (sold for £576,000, estimate £80,000-120,000);
the White Eagle (sold for £852,000, estimate £80,000-120,00) and St Anne (£372,000, estimate £30,000-40,000).
In addition, the Belgian Order of Leopold I sold for £19,200; the Greek Order of the Redeemer for £21,600, and the British Order of the Bath for £24,000.
Breast stars for the Order of St Andrew made by Nicholls and Plinke in St Petersburg and Rundell Bridge & Co., in London sold for £180,000 and £120,000 against an estimates of £5,000-7,000 respectively and a miniature collar and badge of the Order of St Andrew by Wilhelm Kämmerer of St Petersburg in 1838 sold for £240,000 against an estimate of £20,000-30,000.
Even the fitted mahogany box specially commissioned in 1838 to transport the Earl's orders was wanted. Estimated at £600-800, it sold for £12,000.
The sale, in which every one of the 22 lots sold, was taken by Lord Poltimore, the Chairman of Sotheby's Russia. Bidding battles were long and involved as Russian and Russian-speaking agents spoke to their clients by mobile phones, while bids also came from the packed saleroom, on the Internet and from a bank of telephones.
Bidding increments were also unpredictable. Lots which opened at a few thousand pounds suddenly leapt into the tens of thousands and beyond, while in some cases bidding rose by £100,000 at a time.
There was applause when the Order of St Andrew insignia was hammered down for £1.3 million.
Specialist in charge of the sale, James Morton, who prepared the separate sale catalogue, said Morton & Eden and Sotheby's were absolutely delighted with the result. He said he had privately predicted that it would raise £2 million, but was astonished that the total was double that.
He said the collection easily met the 3 criteria collectors require:
- quality,
- provenance and
- condition.
"The celebrated Emanuel Pannasch of St Petersburg, of one of Russia's finest Court jewellers, made many of the pieces in the collection and therefore the quality was superb," he said. "The provenance of the collection, which had not been seen for 150 years, was also impeccable and as it had been largely untouched during that time, the condition was magnificent. Lord Durham died shortly after the orders were conferred upon him, so he had little time to wear them and as a result they were in mint condition."
He explained that orders given to Russian nationals in the 1830s and beyond were traditionally returned on the death of the recipient, but this was not the case with those presented to foreign recipients. "Orders such as those conferred upon Lord Durham therefore have an enormous rarity value and this, together with the immense enthusiasm for high quality Russian orders worldwide made for a highly successful sale."
Buyers included individual collectors and agents representing international clients, many of whom were Russian.
P.S. Оф корс estimates do not include buyer's premium
Андрей Пустоваров
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Да... качество, провенанс, состояние. Против этого не попрешь. Помню, читал о этой группе и удивлялся ценам. Но ведь на самом деле редкие предметы в футлярах, да и провенанс мощный.
Кстати, ту самую его цепку спустя три года выставляли на МиМе
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Андрей Пустоваров
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наварили?
Куда там
А ведь описание было волнующее
Цепь со знаком ордена Святого апостола Андрея Первозванного, фрачная. С.-Петербург, середина XIX в. Мастерская Генриха Вильгельма Кеммерера. Без клейм. Золото, эмаль, 15,71 г. Высота 96,0 мм. Размеры орденского креста 26,0×17,7 мм. Сохранность отличная. Цепь со знаком ордена вложены в оригинальную коробку Магазина Кеммерера. Ко дну коробки приклеена овальная фирменная бирка магазина с надписью в семь строк: «Kaemmerer / Magasin / de / Jouaillerie & Bijouterie / Perspective de Nevsky / maison du General / Southoff № 49». Очень редкая. Прекрасная ювелирная работа.
И оценка всего лишь в 5 000 000–8 000 000 импортозамещающих.
Но количество "ценителей" с бездонными карманами к 2013 году поуменьшилось ...
А ведь описание было волнующее
Цепь со знаком ордена Святого апостола Андрея Первозванного, фрачная. С.-Петербург, середина XIX в. Мастерская Генриха Вильгельма Кеммерера. Без клейм. Золото, эмаль, 15,71 г. Высота 96,0 мм. Размеры орденского креста 26,0×17,7 мм. Сохранность отличная. Цепь со знаком ордена вложены в оригинальную коробку Магазина Кеммерера. Ко дну коробки приклеена овальная фирменная бирка магазина с надписью в семь строк: «Kaemmerer / Magasin / de / Jouaillerie & Bijouterie / Perspective de Nevsky / maison du General / Southoff № 49». Очень редкая. Прекрасная ювелирная работа.
И оценка всего лишь в 5 000 000–8 000 000 импортозамещающих.
Но количество "ценителей" с бездонными карманами к 2013 году поуменьшилось ...
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(при оценке в £20 000-30 000) 
