Военный орден Макса Йозефа
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Об изысканиях по этой фотографии можно узнать здесь
http://www.omsa.org/a-photograph-of-bavarian-military-max-joseph-order-recipients/#
и здесь
https://ak-group.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=19235
http://www.omsa.org/a-photograph-of-bavarian-military-max-joseph-order-recipients/#
и здесь
https://ak-group.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=19235
Любопытная статья о французских производителях ордена (источник: http://www.omsa.org/french-manufacturers-items-related-to-the-bavarian-military-max-joseph-order/)
French Manufacturer’s items related to the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order
This group of unusual items was found in the archives of the now defunct French order and medal manufacturer M. Delande of Paris. Although I am not certain of the exact years that Delande was in business, they were certainly in business during the first few decades of the 20th Century. These items however appear to be older (probably pre-1850) and may have been acquired by Delande from an earlier jeweler that had gone out of business.
The group consists of four (4) rough castings in a lead and tin-based alloy of original Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order pieces. The largest is a casting of a Grand Cross. There is also a casting of a Grand Cross for wearing on a neck ribbon. In addition, there is a Commander’s Cross-sized casting, and a casting of a Knight’s Cross. A casting of an original ribbon ring for a full-sized Knight’s Cross, and a casting for a reduction-sized Knight’s Cross ribbon ring were also in the packet.
Included in the packet was also a small copper plate coated with fired enamel. This small plaque was hand-painted with renditions of the obverse and reverse centers of the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order in approximately the size of centers used for a Grand Cross of the Order. The reverse of the plaque is labelled “Ordre Militaire/ de Baviere”.
These items were found wrapped in paper labelled “Baviere/ Ordre Militaire de/ Maximilien Joseph”. Also found inside was a small pencil drawing of the body of a cross of the Order.
French Manufacturer’s items related to the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order
This group of unusual items was found in the archives of the now defunct French order and medal manufacturer M. Delande of Paris. Although I am not certain of the exact years that Delande was in business, they were certainly in business during the first few decades of the 20th Century. These items however appear to be older (probably pre-1850) and may have been acquired by Delande from an earlier jeweler that had gone out of business.
The group consists of four (4) rough castings in a lead and tin-based alloy of original Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order pieces. The largest is a casting of a Grand Cross. There is also a casting of a Grand Cross for wearing on a neck ribbon. In addition, there is a Commander’s Cross-sized casting, and a casting of a Knight’s Cross. A casting of an original ribbon ring for a full-sized Knight’s Cross, and a casting for a reduction-sized Knight’s Cross ribbon ring were also in the packet.
Included in the packet was also a small copper plate coated with fired enamel. This small plaque was hand-painted with renditions of the obverse and reverse centers of the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order in approximately the size of centers used for a Grand Cross of the Order. The reverse of the plaque is labelled “Ordre Militaire/ de Baviere”.
These items were found wrapped in paper labelled “Baviere/ Ordre Militaire de/ Maximilien Joseph”. Also found inside was a small pencil drawing of the body of a cross of the Order.
It is interesting to speculate regarding the intended purpose of the items. The Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order was awarded by the Kingdom of Bavaria to French Military Officers during the Napoleonic Wars. To French recipients, there were 15 Grand Crosses awarded from 1807 through 1813, there were 17 Commander’s Crosses awarded from 1807 through 1813, and there were 128 Knight’s Crosses awarded from 1806 through 1824. (1) If a French recipient lost an award, if an award was heavily damaged, or if multiple examples for wear were wanted, a recipient would have gone to a French jeweler in order to have a replacement piece made. Such pieces are known to exist and there are many design variations that are seen.
In order to design and manufacture an example of an order, a jeweler of this era only had printed hand-colored plates from books to guide them. These often lacked significant detail.
Figure 6: Example of a relatively-early plate depicting the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order.
In order to design and manufacture an example of an order, a jeweler of this era only had printed hand-colored plates from books to guide them. These often lacked significant detail.
Figure 6: Example of a relatively-early plate depicting the Bavarian Military Max Joseph Order.
It would therefore seem that castings such as these would have provided a jeweler with a three-dimensional model to assist them in making a piece for a customer. Details such a size, thickness, and three-dimensional contours could be ascertained from a casting to assist in the design and manufacturing process. I would therefore surmise that the appropriate term for these items might be “pattern” due to how there were probably utilized. The enameled copper plate with the center details would have been used as a standard to manufacture centers for pieces. Such a hand-painted fired enamel technique was often used to make centers for period replacement pieces, and surviving examples are known. It is interesting to note that the depiction of the reverse motto on the plaque contains an error. The proper motto for the Order is “VIRTUTI PRO PATRIA” and not “VIRTUTIS PRO PATRIA” as seen on this example. I wonder if there are examples of Orders made from this template that exist with this error. I have not yet seen such an example however.
Thank you for your interest. Comments are welcome. If anyone has further insight into early manufacturing processes, or ideas regarding these items, please feel free to share them.
References:
Kramer, Rudolf von, Waldenfels, Otto Freiherr von, and Pechmann, Dr. Günther Freiherr von. Virtuti Pro Patria, Der königlich bayerische Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden, Kriegsstaten und Ehrenbuch, 1914-1918. Selbstverlag des königlichen bayerschen Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden, München, 1966
Wahlen, Auguste. Das Buch der Ritterorden und Ehrenzeichen. fortgeschriebene Auflage, Leipzig, 1856.
Thank you for your interest. Comments are welcome. If anyone has further insight into early manufacturing processes, or ideas regarding these items, please feel free to share them.
-Lorin
References:
Kramer, Rudolf von, Waldenfels, Otto Freiherr von, and Pechmann, Dr. Günther Freiherr von. Virtuti Pro Patria, Der königlich bayerische Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden, Kriegsstaten und Ehrenbuch, 1914-1918. Selbstverlag des königlichen bayerschen Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden, München, 1966
Wahlen, Auguste. Das Buch der Ritterorden und Ehrenzeichen. fortgeschriebene Auflage, Leipzig, 1856.
Превосходный источник по истории ордена, опубликованный в Мюнхене в 1882 году (со всеми статутами и списками кавалеров!)
Der Königlich-Bayerische Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden und seine Mitglieder
http://digital.bib-bvb.de/view/bvbm...d=6021135&locale=ru&usePid1=true&usePid2=true
Der Königlich-Bayerische Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden und seine Mitglieder
http://digital.bib-bvb.de/view/bvbm...d=6021135&locale=ru&usePid1=true&usePid2=true
Alex Ponomarev
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Спасибо. 
Интересные предметы от французов.
Интересные предметы от французов.
Igor Ostapenko
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Андрей Пустоваров
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Известная фотография Hermann Ritter von Speck
Посмотреть вложение 106948
но мало кто замечает, что это ленточка от нашего Йозефа
Посмотреть вложение 106949
еще пара фото
http://www.omsa.org/lieutenant-general-hermann-ritter-von-speck/
Hermann Speck, ab 1914 Ritter von Speck (* 8. August 1888 in München; † 15. Juni 1940 bei Pont-sur-Yonne)
погиб во время войны с Францией. Первый погибший немецкий генерал во второй мировой войне
